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Intro to Clay Sports: Skeet & Trap
This may just be my opinion, but one of the most fun things you can do in the shooting world is participating in any of the clay sports. Don’t get me wrong, it’s all fun but clay sports are just…different. With pistols, you’re typically shooting at paper printouts or steel plates. They do go “ding” when you hit them but that’s about it. Rifle shooting is about the precision and control. Fun, but not for everyone. Both can be spiced up a bit with some competition but beyond that, it’s a very static shooting environment. Clays are much more dynamic. You’re having to hit moving targets. Tiny moving targets at that. Hitting a bullseye is exciting but hitting a fast moving clay with your last shot just before it hits the ground? That will have you cheering every time.
Entry is easy. You need a shotgun, a couple boxes of target shells, a shell holder (either a vest or a belt sack) and a clay range. Technique is also necessary and we’ll go over that later. For now, we’re looking at the sport itself. The term “clay sports” is a very general term, really. It encompasses a bunch of distinctly different games that all revolve around the same principle: shotgun, clay disk and destroying said disk. It’s kind of like how Taco Bell has an entire menu revolving around 3 or 4 ingredients. In clay sports, you have Skeet & Trap, Sporting Clays and Five Stand. All have different rules and styles. Today, we’re going to look at skeet shooting & trap shooting.
Ultimately, all of the clay sports are meant to simulate some form of hunting. It’s one of the reasons why those disks are called “clay pigeons”. While skeet and trap are different in that the pigeons are launched differently, they’re still scored similarly with similar rules overall. So much so that many competitions cover both styles. Some competitions will split it out having only skeet or only trap (like the Olympics, for example).
As far as how it works, let’s start with skeet.
Two houses, both alike in dignity.
You have two launchers (called “trap houses”) that will launch the clays in a criss-cross path. They’re also launched in the same directions and speed every time. On of the trap houses fires at a higher angle and the other at a lower angle (called “high house” and “low house”).
Shooters will fire at the clays from various positions around a semicircle. Each of these positions is called a “station” and there 8 stations in total. You shoot a total of 25 targets per round. If you’re just shooting on your own for fun and practice, it doesn’t really matter how you go about it. If you’re wanting to stick to the rules, however, each station has a set of launches.
- When shooting from 1 and 2, you do 1 target from the high house, then one from the low house then one where the targets are launched from both houses at the same time.
- When you’re on stations 3 through 5, it’s just a single from both houses.
- On 6 and 7, follow the same pattern as 1 and 2
- Finally, on station 8, you just do one high target and one low target.
On the picky rules side, they don’t seem to want you walking away with any shells in your pouch. The rules say that, once you’re all done, you get to reshoot your first missed target. If you were awesome and hit all your shots, then you have to shoot your 25th shot at the low house while standing at station number 8.
He shoots he scores!
You get 1 point for every target hit up to a maximum of 25 points. Now, “target hit” is an important distinction. You don’t have to obliterate the clay in order to score. As long as you get a piece of it, it’s a point. That’s why having a good (and honest) person spotting is important.
Take evasive action! Green Group, stay close to holding section MD-7. It’s a trap!
Trap shooting is played almost exactly the same except different. Instead of two crossing launchers, you have a single launcher in the middle that fires away from the shooter. For American Trap (as opposed to Olympic), you shoot from 5 stations and you shoot at 5 targets from each station. The launcher in trap changes the direction (to the left or right) that it points with each shot. This means you never really know which way it’s going to come out of the trap house. There’s also Wobble Trap which will move up and down as well as side to side.
I mentioned the Olympics a couple of times here. There is a separate set of rules and guidelines for Olympic style shooting. For starters, the clays move faster. I’m talking A LOT faster. There’s also strict rules as to where you have to hold the gun starting out. Very few ranges have launchers that are to Olympic regulations, mainly because it’s too difficult for the average shooter.
Before I forget, there is one unofficial rule for any time you’re shooting any kind of clay sport outside of a competition: never end the day on a missed target. It’s bad luck.
Next time, we’re going to look at Sporting Clays or, as I like to call it, the Golf of the Shooting World.
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Free For All Friday 3-5-2015: Ask Me Anything Edition
Keeping the intro short here. Got a lot of questions this week and there were more non-gun related than I expected. A lot were really good and fun. Some were a bit disturbing. Let’s start with the gun related because this is, of course, a gun blog after all.
Why has .38 special stayed a revolver round while 9mm and .380 go to semi-auto. Is there something that makes .38 special incompatible with semi-autos? Also, I’m curious of your comparison of revolvers and semi-autos. Is there some real benefit to revolvers or drawbacks to semi-auto that keep them both viable? -Daniel L.
It really comes down to the length of the cartridge. Putting a cartridge that long into a semi-auto means you’re going to have to increase the depth of the grip. This would make the gun difficult to use for a large portion of people not to mention harder to conceal. There are some semi-autos that use .38 Special but they’re usually specialized or custom models. More often, you’ll run across semi-auto pistols that are chambered in .357 and .44 Magnum because to do that level of work to make it work in the first place, you might as well put some beef in it. Look for the Coonan 1911 which shoots .357 Magnum rounds and the legendary Desert Eagle which has a version chambered in .44 Magnum. Not many people can grip those comfortably.
As far as viability, I personally apply the “anything is better than a pointy stick” approach. The smaller pocket pistols and many concealed carry geared semis only hold 5 or 6 rounds so there isn’t a real advantage to either side there. Some people like the slightly higher reliability of a revolver in that case but I prefer the ability to reload faster and carry extra magazines easily that comes with semi-auto. Everyone has a different opinion on it, however. Ultimately, it’s purely a matter of personal preference.
As you learned more about firearms, what was the most egregious or embarrassing fact/belief/opinion that you’ve had to let go of? Have your pro-gun opinions and your work in IT, a field not known for social graces, ever conflicted? -Kurt S.
I will admit that I was once one of the “just point a shotgun in the general direction of someone and they instantly turn to a disorganized mass of organized chemicals” people. I also started out with the “Hollywood Cup”. Could have been worse, I guess, but I still shudder to think about it.
One thing you’ll find about computer nerds in general is that they typically don’t care as much about guns as many (especially reddit) would have you believe. Keep in mind, the majority of us grew up playing video games that were chock full of guns so it’s not like we’re not exposed to them. In fact, nerds like myself are likely to be more open to pro-gun stances because of that. At the risk of skirting dangerously close to my no politics rule, I should point out that the NRA taking that “video games are bad, m’kay” approach a while back completely alienated a large demographic that, with only a slight amount of massaging, would have gladly joined their ranks. Nerds don’t like being thrown under the bus and they have a much longer memory than most other groups.
LIGHTNING ROUND!
When are ya gonna do the whole Mosin vs Mauser surplus rifle comparison? -Leroy N.
As soon as I can get my hands on a Mauser to round out the comparison. Otherwise I’m just quoting Wikipedia facts.
What World of Warcraft server do you play on? -GarroshSux
Trollbane. Alliance side. If you see someone from the guild “The Aristocratz” that’s me. I’m the only member of the guild.
What do you do for fun besides guns and Warhammer? -Sherry K.
Watching Formula 1 racing (go team Ferrari!). Also video games and driving around. I love road trips. Cars in general, really.
We know Doctor Who is your favorite show. What’s your second favorite? -Amanda J.
Top Gear (British version)
When are you going to get off your lazy [redacted] and make some more videos? -Dave T.
Yes.
Do you use Mac or PC? -James R.
I use a Mac for a large portion of my stuff but when it comes time to do my day job, I swap to PC because all my programming is in Microsoft’s .NET environment. I also swap to PC when I want to play certain video games.
What do you think about the rumors for the new version of Warhammer? -KhorneFlakes
1st, love the name. Second, some rumors, like the combining of various armies, makes sense considering the events going on in the End Times right now. As far as the crazy rule changes (like switching to 40K style combat), I’m skeptical of the majority of them as they make no sense from a business standpoint.
You used to talk about the firearm stocks. Do you still have them and how are they doing? -Michael N.
I still have stock in Ruger and S&W. Both are doing fantastic although Ruger has been on a bit of a rollercoaster as of late. S&W keeps consistently creeping upwards. I’ll be holding on to both for a long time.
Ever thought about competing? -Olivia W.
Quite often. It comes down to time and more-so money, really. Competing isn’t cheap. If I could bring in more money to GunNoob, I’d be able to afford it easier. If someone wants to sponsor my competing, I won’t turn it down!
Who’s your favorite My Little Pony? -Mike N.
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/259943-are-you-fucking-kidding-me
What software do you use for GunNoob? -Karen J.
The site itself runs off of DotNetNuke. I have various modules installed to handle the different aspects of the site. Offline, I use Photoshop for any graphics and when I was working on the videos, I used Adobe Premiere and After Effects. I do all my writing in Google Docs then just copy and paste it into DNN to publish.
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Free For All Friday 1-2-2015: More Ankle Holster Stuff
It’s a brand new year! Let me first take a moment to give my most sincere thanks to all of you that have been reading Gun Noob. I can’t possibly thank you enough. You all have journeyed me through 3 years of running this site and I look forward to many more years with you all.
Happy New Year and thanks again!
We start this year off with a question about ankle holsters. We’ve been talking a lot about them lately, for some strange reason, and Mike has a great one:
I see a lot of arguments against ankle carry. Are there any circumstances where ankle carry would be the preferred method of carry? -Mike H.
You’re right, there are a lot of arguments against it. The biggest one is that on the ankle isn’t readily accessible. The typical rule of thumb is, in a defensive situation, you need to either be shooting, reloading or moving. Trying to draw while moving with an ankle holster is going to have you hopping around on one foot or stopping and crouching to draw. Typically, ankle carry is relegated to backup guns and most people will carry a tiny snubnose revolver on the ankle in the off chance their main gun breaks or runs out of ammo.
So should you never use it? There are a couple of great reasons why you should ankle carry, or at the very least, shouldn’t discount it. For starters, it is super easy to conceal a gun there. Depending on your body size and the kind of pants you’re wearing you could probably hide a Desert Eagle .50 down there and no one would notice. If bellbottoms ever come back, you could even hide an AR-15! If you’re wearing skinny jeans…well…not so much. Sorry, hipsters. Also, when you’re in a sitting position or if your hands are bound, the ankle holster is probably the best spot a gun could be.
The big one, for me at least, is for women who want to carry. I always recommend against off body carry (i.e. in a purse) but thanks to women’s fashion, hiding a gun anywhere else is near impossible. With ankle carry, it allows on body carry with a variety of outfits.
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Product Review: Solario Solar Phone Charger
I don’t know about you, but I typically get my Christmas shopping done towards the beginning of December. Then I sit around all smug about it like “yep, all done. You all enjoy the crowds and stuff.” Usually around the 15th of the month I wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat with the realization of “OH, CRAP! I FORGOT THE STOCKING STUFFERS!” Fortunately they’re usually small, easy to find items but still. This year, I’ve got a great stocking stuffer idea for you!
If you have a friend or family member that likes to go outdoors a lot…which considering the typical demographic of this blog is a pretty safe bet…there’s always a fear of “what if my cell phone/tablet/gps/e-reader/USB Powered blender battery goes dead?” At least I assume so. I don’t go outdoors much. There’s this big yellow thing that hangs in the sky that scares me to no end. Even then, as a hardcore geek, I am at the mercy of my battery life. The Solario charger fixes that problem! It really combines a handful of items into one awesome package.
First off, it has an internal battery that you can use to charge your device’s battery. In my testing, it took my iPhone from nearly dead to around 94% in about 2 hours. This internal battery can be charged either by plugging it into a USB power outlet (like on your computer or your phone’s charger) or the uber awesome way of just leaving it in the sun for a bit. With good, clear exposure to the sun, it only takes a couple hours to recharge its internal battery.
It comes with a handful of USB cables and adaptors which allows you to charge any USB based device with it. You don’t have to use the cables provided, mind you. All the ports are standard so you can use your own cables with it as well.
The charger also comes with a small carabiner that allows you to hang it off your backpack so it can recharge while on the go. The device is very rugged with rubber bumpers on the sides so it can get knocked around. It’s also weatherproof and the USB ports are sealed so that liquid and grime are kept away.
Finally, it also has a built in LED flashlight which can come in handy in a pinch. At the very least, you can always use it to make a “solar powered flashlight” joke.
All in all, I love this thing and I can’t recommend it enough. If you’re looking for a stocking stuffer or just a gift for the company Christmas party, you can’t go wrong with this.
You can buy the Solario Solar Charger
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Free For All Friday 10-24-2014: Wet ammo, 22 pistols and bugout bags.
So say you take a car to the dealership (for whatever reason) to get your brakes fixed. The job gets finished and you drive away. Less than a month later, things start acting funky. There are noises you’re not used to but you write them off as “my car is getting up in years” and figure you’ll mention them the next time you take it in. The noises get real bad and you take it in. The dealership shop person tell you that X and Y are shot on your car and it will be well over $1300 to fix. You don’t have that much money but you also know there’s a shop down the street that is legendary for being inexpensive so you take your car there for a second opinion. They tell you “yep, X and Y are bad and it looks like whomever installed your brakes last might have caused some damage that ultimately led to the failure of X and Y.” Bolts were stripped, work was shoddy, etc etc. He charges you $700 to fix X and Y but tells you that one of the front brakes are overly worn (due to issues with X and Y) and that I should take it back to the original place to warranty it out. Some Google-Fu shows you that multiple people have had the same experience at this dealership: brake job “coincidentally” leads to these parts failing shortly afterwards. The question then becomes: Do you take it back there and risk them screwing up the work you just had done (either by accident or out of spite) or do you just write them off and get the brakes replaced with a reputable mechanic who is likely to do it right and learn the lesson never to deal with the original place?
I comes down to what is more important: principle and money or end result. Principle is one thing and money is always an issue. The peace of mind in knowing that it’s a job well done versus worrying about every noise, rattle and squeak from that point on and having to risk constantly going back and fighting is another thing.
We have three questions this week!
I was canoeing a few weekends ago out in the middle of nowhere and the thought occurred to me. If I flip and fall into the lake with my pistol, would that render my ammo useless, or are cartridges sealed enough to withstand a quick dunk? -Corey M.
The bright side is, decent ammo is pretty rugged. I’ve stated numerous times that the ammo you carry daily in your gun should be the absolute best you can find. Never bet your life on bargain basement items. That being said, things happen. One tiny flaw in the casing could let moisture in. Still, there was a video I watched a while back where a person left a magazine’s worth of ammo soaking in water for 4 weeks then fired it. He was getting a failure about every 3rd round. All things considered, that’s not that bad. A good, 30 second or even couple minute dunk probably isn’t going to have the same results, especially if you’re able to get the magazine/ammo out and dry it quickly enough. At the same time, the moisture your body releases on a regular basis is far more corrosive (due to the salt content and such) than a quick dunk would be. Still, there are things that you should be aware of. Once your ammo has been submerged, there are four possible outcomes:
- It still fires – Yay! No problem!
- It doesn’t fire – Problem, but not a bad one. If it’s a full blown self defense emergency, follow your failure drills and get shooting again. Be very careful, however, because just because it doesn’t fire doesn’t mean it’s a dud. It could be a…
- Slow burn – This is a common issue with older ammo that’s been stored in a moist environment. The powder gets wet, but not soaked. If you were to pull the bullet and light the powder, it wouldn’t go off with a “foof!” like normal powder. It would be more like a sizzle. It would still build up necessary pressure eventually and fire. These are dangerous as heck. Military teaches that if you pull the trigger and nothing happens, wait at least 30 seconds before ejecting the round (In a gunfight, this would ideally be done behind cover). If you don’t and it is a slow burn, you run the risk of the bullet firing on the ground next to you rather than in the chamber where it’s supposed to be. If you’re using a revolver, the danger is even worse. Then you’ll have a bullet exploding on the side of the gun and that will ALWAYS destroy the gun and, more often than not, leads to some serious injury.
- Squib – No, I didn’t misspell the name of a certain kind of cephalopod. A squib is when a bullet goes off but doesn’t have enough power to make it out of the barrel. You wind up with a blockage which, in most cases, isn’t a huge deal. Pull the gun apart and, using a dowel rod or some other soft-ish implement, hammer the bullet the rest of the way out of the barrel. Always do it in the direction of “breech to bore”. Doing it in reverse runs the risk of damaging the rifling. Never…and I’m going to type this a couple more times to make sure it sinks in…NEVER NEVER NEVER continue firing if you think you have a squib. You will know when you have a squib because the gun will feel weak. If you’re shooting a 9mm, a squib will feel significantly lighter. Almost like a .22LR instead. If you ever feel that, stop shooting immediately and disassemble the gun to examine the barrel. Don’t look down the barrel of a loaded gun to check (safety rules!). Some people have had the thought of “oh, if I shoot another round it’ll just push the stuck one out”. Google Image Search is filled with pictures of the destroyed guns of people who had that thought. This is how injuries happen at the range.
Knowing how to recognize and deal with failures is an important thing to practice. Ultimately, don’t worry too much about a quick dunk. Still, get some snap caps or dummy rounds and practice your failure drills just in case.
Two quick questions. I love shooting 22lr and have experience with the Ruger 22/45 and do like that one. I found a new one online for $280, do you think this is a good deal for a Ruger? Also a S&W 22A is there for $230. Have you ever shot one before? Or any impressions you’ve heard from other people? -Kaj
The Ruger MarkIII is the defacto .22LR pistol and the 22/45 is one of its variations. It’s been around, in one way or another, for as long as Ruger has been around. The grip is made to mimic the famous 1911 pistol and, if you look at the .22LR shooting competitions, most of the competitors will have a tricked out Ruger as their gun. The S&W 22A is also a great alternative to the Ruger and is commonly used by people who want a .22LR pistol that isn’t a Ruger. The great and powerful Hickok45 has one of the S&W’s as his .22LR pistol of choice. That’s a heck of an endorsement for it, if you ask me. Were it my money, however, I’d most likely go with the Ruger simply due to the insane number of accessories available for them. More so for the Mark series, mind you, but a lot of parts are interchangeable as well.
As far as the prices go, it’s hard to say. Regional prices differ enough that it’s hard to say whether that’s a good deal or not. The bright side is we posted a great guide for finding out going rates of firearms here.
What items are most important in a bugout bag? -Fred S.
Things can go south real fast and being ready to evacuate shows great forethought. One of the most common things prepared people suggest is the “bugout bag”. This is a ready to go sack of items that you can just “grab and go” knowing it has the vast majority of your essential survival items in it. This frees up your mind to worry about other things that need worrying about in an emergency situation. While people all over the place have countless “checklists” for items that should go in a bag and those are far more detailed than anything I could put together here, my own personal research has shown me a few things to keep in mind when putting yours together.
First off, the bag itself is probably the most important but the most overlooked. Many people will just get a backpack from their local Walmart, stuff it full then say “I’ve got a bugout bag! I’m prepared now”. Those bags can barely stand up to a year of school kids using them much less the kind of abuse you would encounter in an emergency. You want a large, sturdy and comfortable back that won’t have you hating life if you have to wear it for hours at a time. Something like….a nice hiking backpack. These are strong and surprisingly lightweight. Not only that, they can hold a great deal of stuff and in a way that is easier on your back. Another thing is not only plenty of different ways to purify water but ways to transport it are equally as important. You don’t want to have to stop every few minutes to purify some water so being able to carry the water you’ve made safe is a huge plus. Also, multiple ways to start fires as well. You should have a couple of lighters, then a couple boxes of matches then finally a flint/tender of some kind. After that are your foods, clothing, navigation and such.
The ultimate guideline is to realize that, even though the fact you’re grabbing your bugout bag is considered by many to be the worst case scenario, it is far from the worst case scenario. Have backups for everything in your bag and even have a backup bag because the worst case is still FAR worse. Also, when looking at the various checklists and guides, keep in mind regional differences. A generic bag list might not have the stuff needed to survive if you lived in a desert area and a desert focused bag would leave you woefully unprepared in a swampy area. This is where having a grand scheme plan beyond just “having a bag” is very important. Knowing where you’re going to go and what you’re going to do will help you plan accordingly.
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Let Me Introduce Myself
Good day to all the wonderful Noob readers out there. My name is Chris and I am pleased to introduce myself as the newest member of the GunNoob writing staff. While my writing may not be quite as humorous as Mr. Noob (we all need to aspire to something greater), I’ll do my best to stay both informative and entertaining. I look forward to covering topics ranging from gun reviews and gun safety to my experiences as a newb competative shooter. I’ll even toss in some embarrasing anecdotes (mine as well as others) from my time spent on the range.
A little bit about myself… I am a practicing architect in Atlanta, Georgia. I have a few years experience as a gun owner and shooting afficianodo and have been a Range Safety Officer (RSO) for the past two years at an indoor range just outside of Atlanta. I also have some blog writing experience, as I have writen for the women’s shooting blog, Armed Candy, in the past. I am currently looking to get into some competative shooting, both indoor pistol as well as outdoor 3-gun competitions. When i’m not working or shooting, I ride my motorcycle (Buell Lightning), play way too many video games (currently stuck in a Borderlands 2 loop), and play on a number of adult (aka: beer drinking) softball teams. Feel free to ask me anything gun related. Cheers!!! Continue reading
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Let’s talk about “stopping power”…
I often mention those conversations that will just send a forum into a flame war. The myth of “stopping power” is one of the most notorious of those topics (second only to “which is better: a Glock or 1911?”). I am in the “shot placement is far more important that bullet size” camp of thought. Many, however, believe that a .45 will kill anything in heaven or earth and create a small mushroom cloud in the process. The problem is, most “studies” have been conducted poorly and in a way that is guaranteed to confirm what the author already believes. In other words: most studies are crap. They use a lot of circumstantial evidence of hearsay and the results are about as dubious as the data that led to them. Continue reading
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The Stage is Set: What is a 2-Stage Trigger?
In my “picking a rifle” article, I made a couple of references to a 2 stage trigger and how it was a requirement for my chosen rifle. A couple of readers asked what a 2 stage trigger was and why I wanted one. Considering this is “Year of the Rifle” territory, I’m going to answer this one in its own article rather than in the Free For All Friday posts. Oddly enough, it’s a perfectly simple thing to demonstrate but anytime that I’ve tried to explain it to someone, I find it very difficult to put into a quick explanation. So fair warning: This may get a bit wordy. Continue reading
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Free For All Friday: 4-18-14, Ammo Casings, Gun Finishes, and How to Help GunNoob
Friday again! Before we get to the questions, let me just say that I can’t begin to properly convey how much I love working on this site. Without all you readers, however, I’d just be a geek in the corner talking to myself. You, yes you are the ones that make this site. I get messages every now and then with readers asking if there’s any way they can help. I don’t like to beg for money, so I don’t. That’s not to say I’m not above shameless self promotion. The banner ads on the site pay for the hosting and adding an exception to your ad blockers can go a long way to making sure we can continue to afford the site. Beyond that, the biggest thing anyone can do is just spread the world, particularly on Facebook and Twitter.
Speaking of Facebook: they’ve recently changed their algorithm again because they somehow feel that a computer is better at figuring out what their users want to see as opposed to their users. That means that people who have subscribed to our Facebook page might not see our posts (unless we pay Facebook money to guarantee everyone can see our posts). By liking and sharing our posts, however, that makes sure that you and others can see us. The same advice goes to any site or company whose stuff you like: like and share.
Thanks again for your continued support! Let’s get to the questions, that’s why you’re here after all… Continue reading
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Gun Ranges: Indoor vs. Outdoor
It’s not enough to just buy a gun. You’re going to want to practice with it and get proficient with it. That means that you’re going to need to shoot it. Unless you’re fortunate enough to have a yard like Hickok45, you’re going to have to eventually go to a shooting range. Now, we’ve talked in the past about what to expect on your first day at the range. While I’m sure there’s a great segue from that opening to “let’s talk about picking a range that’s best for you”, Daylight Saving time started today and my brain just working enough to come up with one. So with that in mind, let’s talk about picking a range that’s best for you. Continue reading
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